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of the appropriations and budget committee. also joined by georgetown university tax law professor john buckley on how the alternative minimum tax is affecting fiscal negotiations. "washington journal" is next. ♪ ♪ host: 25 days to go before the united states faces the fiscal cliff, the white house has rejected a proposal from house republicans to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts at the end of the year. no formal talks between the two sides are scheduled today. will go outside the nation's capital to get your voice involved. republicans -- democrats -- independents -- send us a tweet, post your comments on facebook, or send us an e-mail. we begin with some of the papers across the country today and how this latest proposal from house republicans is playing out in the papers. courtesy of "the atlantic journal-constitution" -- here is "the denver post" -- finally, here is "of the arizona republic" -- here is "the washington post" on what is inside this deal -- we want to get your take on this. what do you think? ted in new york, a democratic caller. what do you think? caller: good morning. i do n
know where both sides are on taxes. i think we understand that. but to the speaker's point, we have not had any discussion and any specifics with this president about the real problem, which is spending. we have got to do something about the spending. and obsessions to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is, doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. we can't just keep borrowing money and raising taxes and expecting the problem to go away. that is our point to the president. and as the speaker said, we want to sit down with the president and want to talk specifics. we put an offer on the table now. he has out of hand reject that had. where are the specifics and where are the discussions? nothing is going on. the people of this country are suffering. we ask the president, sit down with us and be serious about the specifics in the spending so we can stop the wasteful spending in washington and finally address the problem. >> as we continue to try to solve the fiscal cliff, the thing we have continued to
will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration and all the tax hikes? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it is 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is, though, is this going to be a big enough deal, and will actually be enough of a down payment that it will lead to something else subsequently that will actually avoid the kind of enormous consequences of $16 trillion of debt? that percentage will be lower than the 80%. >> let's come back to the big picture -- in the short term, by january 1 -- will we avoid the cliff? >> i think it is likely that we avoid it. it does not appear that that is going so well. it is so easy for us just to do the things we need to do. i think the real line in the sand is going to be the debt ceiling. i really do think -- i have said that for a long time. i think that is when, hopefully, by that time anyway we will have real entitlement reform, which will bring all of this together. >> chris? >> i think it is better than 50% that we are able to get an agreement before january 1. but that is premised on a belief that our republican colle
is just 34 days away from the mix of hundreds of billions of dollars with expireing tax cuts. the president called on voters though pressure congress for a deal that would freeze taxes for 911%98% of for american families. >> call members of congress, write them, e-mail, post it on their facebook wall. tweet it by using the hash tag "my 2 k." >> if the latest "washington post" "abc news" poll is correct, the 06% 60% said they supported, and oklahoma congressman tom cole told politico last night, i quote i think we ought to take the 98% deal right now. it doesn't mean that i agree with raising the top two i don't. but house speaker john boehner disagreed with that call. >> i told him that i disagreed with him. >> eliot: he seemed more interesting in attacking the president than finding common ground. >> as the speaker said we have done our part. we have pup revenue on the table. we have not seen any good faith effort on the part of this administration to talk about the real problem that we're trying to fix. >> eliot: the finger pointing and the slow-moving talk seems to be cau
tom call who suggested he and his gop colleagues should renew middle-class tax cut and allowed the top tax rates to let -- rise. tonight, we speak from -- hear from speaker boehner, house democrats, and president obama on the so-called fiscal clef. later, alan simpson and erskine bowles talk about some of the fiscal choices facing congress. >> the program began under one of the advisers to president franklin roosevelt to document the conditions under which people were living. this was back when we did not have television. we had radio, but a lot of places did not have electricity, so they could not listen to the radio broadcast to find out what was going on in other parts of the country. he was an economist from columbia university. he was the head of this project. in 1939, when kodak introduced color film, they sent him to have his photographers try out, see what they could do. kodak was trying to establish a new market and product, and they wanted people who would know how to use it effectively to try it out and publicize it. >> america in the 1930's and 1940's -- the library of cong
pledge to not raise taxes? >> guest: it's not up to me to decide what violates and what doesn't but i don't think so. i think keeping tax rates where they are is the question and you can increase revenue without increasing the tax rate partly by that and a more efficient system. it distributes investments away from the nonproductive loopholes towards things that generate economic growth and that's something that paul ryan has been a leading advocate of. so i think this is a really smart proposal by the speaker, and it was -- i was pleased to see every republican. it wasn't just his name. it was extremely significant. hopefully the white house understands that means a unity of the republican leadership at that table, and if there's unity there i assure you there is in the republican conference. >> host: here's a letter to the white house with of the signatures of the leadership team including paul ryan of the budget committee. a lot of the callers have talked about the lack of detail in the proposal. what loophole deductions do you get rid of an order to bring in more revenue? >> guest: ag
, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next wreer. right now, as we speak, coness can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. gerri: there's the president calling out congress. what do you have to say, congressman? >> yeah, here we go in the middle of this. the house passed all our tax things in april. we passed the sequestering documents in may. we waited for the senate since may to reciprocate on that. the senate and white house sat on it, and they said we'll see you in the lame duck period. now it's lame duck, and now they want to get started when we finished or work in may on it. it's been frustrating in the process. it's the same song, 38th verse on it, waiting for the senate to get it going. now we're actually going, a the president now says you can clear the table on this. the reality is this iss not a tx issue. it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 tat we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now th we did five years ago.
is a possibility we could come back in january and say we will reinstate those tax rates for everybody except those people making more than $250,000. host: we have about 30 seconds. the likelihood these credits will be reduced. guest: it will be a crapshoot. host: steven sloan from politico. thank you thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. cap hehn conroy: let us pray. loving and gracious god, we give you thanks for giving us another day. help us this day to kragh closer to you so that with your spirit and your presence among us we all must face the tasks of this day. bless the members of the people's house. help them to think clearly, speak confidently and act courageously in the belief that all noble service is based upon patience, truth and love. you know well the pressing issues facing our nation. grant our leaders, especially, the wisdom to do what is best and may we all join in the common will for the benefit of all constitu
the fica tax you see on your paycheck. i will do some quick math here, mr. speaker. bear with me. 40.3% in federal taxes. the tax rate for every middle class american in the land. i ask you, mr. speaker, are tax rates too low? do you think you ought to work for the first five months out of the year just to pay your federal tax burden before you begin to pay your state tax burden, before you begin to pay your local tax burden, before you begin to actually earn money to pay for your food and shelter and clothing for your family? 40% is a marginal tax rate. 35%, mr. speaker, is the rate that that 1% are paying today. 35 cents out of every dollar earned by that top 1% today, at the marginal tax rate for those folks. now, a lot of folks don't realize taxes are already going up next year. the president's health care bill, that bill that i was not here to oppose it though i tried to repeal it, i haven't been able to get that through the senate, but the president's health care bill raises taxes come january 1. so on the top income bracket that the president wants to raise taxes even furt
the president's deal on taxes. house speaker, john boehner, is not happy. >> hell, no, you can't. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman? >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,000.
squarely at john boehner. $800 billion tax hike will destroy jobs, allow washington to spend more. as you all know, john boehner put an $800 billion tax hike as a center of his proposal. so john boehner got rejected from the white house, which wants another $800 billion on top of that in tax hikes and then rejected by the right wing of his own party which wants absolutely no tax hikes at all. so unlike harry reid, i actually feel genuine sympathy for john boehner. so kudos, speaker, for showing deserters or desenters who is boss. boehner stripped house members who opposed key committee assignments today. and earlier i spoke with one republican leader in the house who himself has been out of step with boehner in recent days. deputy whip congressman tom cole of oklahoma. he said the gop should agree to obama's proposal to extend bush tax rates for households that make less than $250,000. and they should do that deal right now, deal with the rest later. boehner said no way. and then tom cole said boehner should not offer a counterproposal to the fiscal cliff deal the president presented. boe
, since the invention of the income tax. there has always been a deduction for interest that you paid. the government didn't think it could distinguish between mortgage interest and other kinds of interest. less interest is deductible now. some of the things are left over from the early days of the tax code. there is no magic about allowing people to deduct mortgage interest and not the interest they pay on their credit cards. some of these things are hard to explain. host: does it incentivize home buying? guest: it does provide some if incentive for buying a home and is a large tax break and gives them an enormous benefits. it mostly provides an incentive for buying a bigger house. it seems to incentivize mcmansions. there is a fair question of whether that is something we should be spending that much money on. host: let's go to ohio, robert is a democrat. caller: yes, my question is this. a question/comment. i have seen all these outbreaks been giving out. supposedly they were created for an incentive for them to hire more people. they were given as four years and years. a majority
,000. and everyone is in agreement -- the republicans do not want to see the middle class go without this tax cut. so where we disagree, let us push that off. where we agree, let's embrace. further, we discussed again the long term effects of our deficit, which are directly tied to health care -- the work that has been done in the congress as it relates to constructing and exchange that will take place in 2014 and go into effect, and the tools that we provided a initially on a concept that by its very nature was one designed by republicans, that there is ample room for us to tackle the unbelievable rise in cost of health care to 17% of our gross domestic product by focusing on dropping those costs. most recently the president of aetna said very clearly -- not only if we drop those costs would we make health care more affordable, we would also deal with balancing our national debt. so these are all very constructive areas that we all should agree to. that the american public wants us to pursue. we remain optimistic because of the way the president has gone out there and is selling this concept, not on
recommendations in the report create 1.7 million jobs. everyone talks about taxes and what's going to happen with the fiscal cliff. in the last 10 years there's been $1,500 for every american consumer has gone to increased oil prices. $1,500. we're now talking about $2,000 take the tax cuts make a different for middle-class americans. you can get them that tax cut today if you invested in our report. and then everybody talks about entitlements. the social security administration trustees have said that high oil prices make the social security trust insolvent five years sooner than they would if you didn't have high oil prices. look, we all know what america needs. america needs jobs. america needs growth. following the recommendations in our report will lead to both of those. that's going to be good for the politicians, it's going to be good for the consumers, it's going to be good for american business. >> let me bring in the senators here to ask about -- i'll start with you, senator alexander. if you could just tell me a little bit about energy policy in this country and where it fits in i
in facts, our goal is to show them to you honestly. so tonight, the facts about taxes that the majority of americans established on election day, and an even bigger endorsed in the polling. a leading republican lawmaker is on board. they now agree with the president who wants to let taxes go up on income, more than a quarter of a million a year. if mr. obama and the democrats get their way, doing the deal to avoid raising the rates and avoiding the fiscal cliff, where all tax cuts and brakes expire at the end of the year. that is an election, popular at the end of the year, certainly give president obama a lot of clout right now. you can disagree or agree with the policy. that is for you to decide. republican tom cole of oklahoma happens to disagree strongly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january one, and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all the taxpayers. >> in my view, we agree we're not going to raise taxes on people that make more than $250,000, we should just take them out of this discuss right now.
decide what you're going to do now i once those taxes go up. and then when january 2nd come up, you get a committee together, and you solve the problem. i mean, how is that going to affect everyone when it comes to taxes? is it going to be the same, or will it be different? i mean, do we have to do it early? can we do it in january? >> guest: well, i would argue that there are two pieces to the fiscal cliff in that you have to do amt this year, and you -- because unless you really intend people to pay that additional tax. it would be very hard in the middle of the tax filing system to reverse that decision. now, you are, i think, correct in the second piece of the fiscal cliff. that is the tax rates that will apply next year. arguably, you don't have to take action this year, you have the whole of next year during which you can reach resolution to that issue. now, the only reason why i think that's an extraordinarily bad idea is i think it would be viewed quite unfavorably by the financial markets. and so you could see a reaction. and it is really bad tax policy to be legislating in
. president obama with a big kind of pep rally at the white house to push those tax cuts for the middle class and republicans on capitol hill saying no, no, no, we hate the middle class. come on. let's give tax cuts to the rich! the millionaires and the billionaires, to the koch brothers and donald trump. we'll bring you up to date and give you a chance to sound off on the issues which i know you can't wait to do. you can do it by giving us a call at 1-866-55-press. you can join the conversation on twitter at bpshow on facebook, facebook.com/billpressshow. and if you really want to get into it with your fellow "full court pressers," go into the chat room. try it out. it is a lot of fun. go to current.com and click on the chat room and you are in! here we are. lucky day. thursday november 29 for somebody. >> it wasn't that lucky. you're still here. peter ogborn and dan henning good morning guys. leading team press with phil backert and cyprian bowlding. cyprian and i had our powerball tickets. we were ready, we were
my lips. no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern republican party. the right wing went crazy. and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted the solution to our problems were m
. they do exist, our goal is to show them to you honestly. tonight, the facts about taxes that a majority of americans established on election day, and an even big erma jort endorsed in recent polling most recently, a leading republican lawmaker on board. they agree with the president who wants to let taxes go up on income more than a quarter million dollars a year. mr. obama and the democrats get their way, doing a deal to raise just those rates would avoid the fiscal cliff, where all bush era tax cuts on all tack tax brackets expire at the ends of the year. the election, popular opinion and more give president obama a lot of clout right now. and you can agree or disagree with the president's policy. that's for you to decide. republican congressmen tom cole of oklahoma disagrees stronsly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january 1st and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all taxpayers. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should just take the
position on tax rates but the president won't budge. he told him, if he has an alternative plan, he ought to put that forward rather than focusing on entitlements. the white house will send tim geithner to capitol hill for a meeting. yesterday the president met with ceos including at&t, goldman sachs, coca-cola and caterpillar, many of whom said after the meeting they emerged hopeful a deal could be struck to avoid the fiscal cliff. in another meeting with middle-class americans, president obama said he believes the framework for a deal could be in place before christmas. >> and i'll go anywhere, and i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. now's the time for us to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle-class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american people deserve. >> white house also turning to social media has a twitter hash tag to spread its message. >> today i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voi
boehner knows that the president is right on taxes. he knows it, but he's afraid to say that now, so he's sending one of his loyal soldiers out there to say it for him. >> there may be a debate over whether it's a cliff or curb. >> bump in the road. >> the curve of a mole hill. >> but there is one indes putable fact. >> the fact is definitely ticking. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious. >> i got a pen. i'm ready to sign it. >> some signs of compromise. >> congressman tom cole urged his colleagues to get in line behind president obama. >> that's just silly. >> scared me a little bit. >> i told tom earlier that i disagreed with him. >> shame on him. >> why would you do that? it's like selling your soul. >> i hope his wife understands. >> he brought my wife into it? he's never met me, my wife. >> his wife. >> some of these people have had impure thoughts? >> do you have any impure thoughts about grover norquist? >> it is not about that pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i will violate the pledge. >> deja vu all over again. >> he will be irrelevant. >> with
take president obama's view, extend bush tax cuts for all but the top 2%. that's a sign some republicans may be open to higher rates for the rich. >>> is it possible negotiators could learn something from the most important movie out there right now "lincoln." doris kearns goodwin joins us. >>> let me finish with how lincoln outlawed slavery for good and how he did it using politics. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> how's this for irony? mitt romney has finally captured 47% of america. remember this video that sunk the romney campaign? >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them. >> well, the cook report points out romney shared a popular vote of this country has fallen to, you guessed it, 47.4%. as expected to fall further, and settle at the 47 mark, exactly. we'll be right back. [ woman ] . progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your wo
way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place. with us on set, economic analyst steve rattner. also political editor and white house correspond
taxes, no specific cuts according to "the new york times" and "wall street journal." actually, $50 billion more in stimulus spending and no specific spending cuts. it was a nonstarter, and they knew it was a nonstarter. richard wolffe, my question to you is, why did the white house decide to have this as their opening volley when they knew the response would be a negative one that they drew? >> well, they put on $400 billion in medicare cuts. so there were some specifics in there. but was it a hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer, right? they're trying to not just provoke a no. they want the counteroffer. and the counteroffer is, what is it? there isn't one. >> it looks like right now it will probably come back now as $800 billion in new revenue, probably higher specific cuts. >> you forget one extra demand, of course, which is ban the debt ceiling piece. that's huge, right? that's, like, unilateral disarmament. we're going to offer you to unilaterally disarm. i like that one, too. because they were sensible. let's face it, the markets
is the $1.6 trillion in tax revenue over ten years. they say that's about twice where republicans think they might be able to get a deal and for them that was not a good starting point. >> kelly, can i quickly ask you why we should not expect a counteroffer interest republicans? isn't that what this whole game is about? >> reporter: public. if i didn't say public, let me emphasize. >> you did. >> reporter: we heard about the president's offer and what republicans are also saying they are trying hard to not criticize the president publicly, focus on the specifics of the deal. there are concerns about that, not wanting to spoil the move further. at least that's their claim. so certainly they will be putting their own numbers together but don't expect a big splash of bullet points from republic wrans today or over the weekend. at least that's what we're hearing now. >> the president is going to hatfield, pennsylvania, today. a campaign-style event to sort of drum up support for what the white house wants to do on fiscal cliff. you know, the president after he won re-election essentially sa
is threatening a power play move to force a vote on extending middle class tax cuts. this morning, president obama also pushed away republican senator orrin hatch called his proposal, radical. >> it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the we weltmist americans. >> what he proposed this week is a classic bait and switch on the american people. a tax increase doubled the size of what he campaigned on. >> joining me now nbc news white house correspondent mike viqueira. mike, let's talk about this thing. this is the time the lawmakers are breaking out the rule book to find some tricks. how does pelosi think she can force a vote on middle class tax cuts? >> it's funny, craig, the president visited the tinker toy factory yesterday but he's not playing around, that is for certain. his opening bid delivered by tim geithner the treasury secretary on thursday up on the hill was such a one-way document as far as republicans were concerned that the republican leader of the senate broke out in a burst o
.6 trillion in new revenue from tax hikes on the rich. the white house is giving $400 billion in savings from medicare and entitlements. there's also a request for at least $50 billion in infrastructure spending, mortgage relief, and other stimulus measures. none of this is a surprise to the republicans. this is what president obama campaigned on. it's also what republicans have been presented behind closed doors for weeks. "politico" reported on the deal taking shape behind the scenes. it includes most of the same details the white house has in its proposal. according to "politico" house republican leaders recognize president obama holds the high cards and the public is likely to blame republicans if negotiations blow up and the new year begins with a fiscal disaster. the facts didn't stop speaker boehner from claiming the white house is holding up negotiations. >> majority leader and i just had a meeting with the treasury secretary. it was frank, and it was direct. i was hopeful we'd see a specific plan for cutting spending. >> the treasury secretary's proposal seems pretty specific. it eve
time ago saying he'll answer questions about the cliff, his proposal and pending tax hikes on the official white house twitter feed. press secretary jay carney insisted the white house is still optimistic it can reach a deal with congressional republicans. >> there has been progress, and we can achieve a bipartisan agreement. the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2%. >> and there are just 29 days to go for the two parties to find some sort of middle ground, and joining me now from the white house nbc news correspondent kristen welker. what's the back story on this it twitter q and a for the president, which should start any minute now? >> reporter: that's right. this is part of president obama's full court press to get the public on board to pressure republicans to sign on to his plan to increase taxes for those making $250,000 or more. he had his first twitter town hall in 2011 when he answered questions about jobs and the
in the trench warfare. i asked speaker boehner about the $250,000 bush tax cuts, all the polling shows the country will think republicans are to blame if we go over the fiscal cliff, six out of ten voters in november said the tax rates should go up, how much longer can he afford to politically keep this pledge and he said look, you heard it there, the rates when we close the revenues, loopholes will go up on the rich people. that still is the mindset. what's interesting, is talking to republicans leaving the house conference gop conference this morning, there is a lot of support for speaker boehner. there aren't cracks like there were during the debt limit where he had a faction that was lining up against him wholeheartedly. even after yesterday we heard all the stuff of fallout from the conservative right against his position, that conference this morning was pretty supportive of speaker boehner and seem to be -- say something we say way too often here in washington, d.c., doubling down on the speaker's approach, at least here in early december. >> everyone seems to be doubling down,
they are going to block a deal because they want to extend tax cuts. what you can expect from the and the a willingness to sit down and explore what the best way to get through this is. it's in the interest of the american people. >> that was followed by a fierce response from grover norquist, the man behind the no tax hike pledge embraced by many in the gop. >> every republican who had impure thoughts has to go back to the drawing board. they have just been told there are no real reforms in this budget. $1.6 trillion in tax increases. >> joining me is eleanor cliff and david dreker thank you for being here. so eleanor, we have timothy geithner who says there will be a deal before the end of the year but it doesn't look like anyone is willing to budge. is that your take away? >> i think there's a rhythm to these negotiations. and right now each side is staking out their optimal position. the republicans reportedly laughed at the proposal. if they can extract concessions from the president, then they can look like they have gotten something in the deal. so i think we're in the
fight continuing. he split with his party on taxes. what is republican tomb cole saying now? first as john boehner look lights the capitol christmas tree is he channeling tiny tim or scrooge. >> god bless us and everyone and from my family to yours, merry christmas. en i was in an accide. i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. >>> revenues we're putting on the table will come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> let'
yesterday. $1.6 trillion in tax cuts. $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlement programs. $50 billion additional in stimulus spending. no real structural reform to entitlement programs. no spending cuts. instead, stimulus spending. obviously, the president knew that this would be an unacceptable first offer. so what is the end game here? where is the president's bottom line? >> listen, this is a negotiation. it isn't about the president's bottom line or my bottom line or yours. it's a negotiation. and the sad part is, that the administration, the president, has laid down an offer. there's several things in there we know the republicans like, and yet they refuse to lay down an offer. all they do is come out, and mitch mcconnell laughs, and boehner says it's terrible. there's a fiscal cliff, and this offer isn't good. show me the money, folks. you have the power. you're bragging about the fact that you kept the house. good. show us your offer. put down your offer. now, here's my view on this. and it is the same as the president's in this respect. rough the biggest aspects of the
in for a few minutes. it's wednesday, december 5, 2012. will republicans cry uncle on taxes? with the holidays approaching, last night house spaeker john boehner took a break from the fight. . >> god bless us, everyone. and from my family to yours merry christmas. >> five, four, three, two, one. good job. >> well, that was one countdown clock. this morning the president is going to tell a graup of ceos that businesses need the certainty that middle class families won't see their taxes go up it at the end of the year. the president made it clear in his first interview since being re-elected on bloomberg news that he does not plan to budge on the idea of raising tax rates for the wealthiest 2% of americans. >> unfortunately it is still out of balance. $800 billion worth of revenues but he says he'll do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. we're going to have to see the top 02% go up. we're not going to be able to to get a deal without it. >> leaving open the possibility that they could come down again next year as part of comprehensive tax reform. >> let's let thos
that the public really wants those higher rates for the higher earners in terms of taxes. senator reid and other democrats don't want to talk about specific cuts or entitlement reforms publicly. everyone saying they don't want to negotiate from the podium. but everyone is aware it's the end of november. there isn't a lot of time left. and how quickly and how peacefully can they come to a resolution is a real question. it's a long process and today is one of those data points where i think you get a sense that people are a bit frustrated. >> he tried to bush boehner on the details. he pushes back about not wanting to get boxed in. it's a confusing they take to the microphone to talk about it then don't want to talk about it at the same time. >>> politico is reporting that a framework for fiscal negotiations has already emerged. here is what they say to expect. about $1.2 trillion in tax increases on the wealthy. at least $400 billion in entitlement cuts mainly from medicare, not to mention spending cuts. that figure, at least $1.2 trillion, according to politico. let's bring in news nation politi
laughing in the face of the white house plan, saying it's big on taxes, big on cuts. is there any hope now of a deal before these taxes shoot up? >> also this morning, dancing in the west bank? condemnation from israel and the u.s., as the u.n. general assembly now votes to recognize a palestinian state. is this the right tack for peace? >> fortune and glory. one of the winners of the record powerball jackpot is out. and the other may not be a mystery any more. >> hmm. plus battered but not broken. an exclusive look here at lady liberty after superstorm sandy. >> we have a packed show ahead. steny hoyer, harvard economics pro-presser ken rogoff. russell simmons, former presidential candidate jon huntsman and good samaritan larry deprimo. >> gave the boots to the homeless man. we're going to get the whole back story there. it is friday, november 30th. tgif. to you and you as well. "starting point" begins right now. >>> your elected officials trading insults, playing the blame game here as the clock is winding down on the fiscal cliff. keep in mind time is a-wasting. in 32 days now
't enough time left to do a comprehensive deal, including tax reform, fixing medicare. so he wants congress to raise tax rates for the wealthy right now and putting off the hard work to next year. they have 28 days left to make a deal before the country hits what's called the fiscal cliff. that's a combination of across the board tax increases for everyone, coupled with cuts in spending like defense, education, health care, and housing assistance. let's go live to our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin with the very latest. jessica? >> reporter: president obama has now personally turned down speaker boehner's opening offer to avert the fiscal cliff. he did it in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about $800 billion worth of revenues but says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> reporter: he won't agree to eliminate a tax deduction for contributions to charity. >> every hospita
of getting the fiscal cliff deal done before everyone's taxes go up. >> consolation lunch? president obama visits mitt romney to the white house today and everyone is buzzing about it. could obama offer him a job? >> congratulations to someone. you just won the gdp of a small nation. not just one but two winning tickets in last night's record powerball drawing. we'll tell you where. >> and if they will be my best friend soon. we have a packed show. john ba, rasso, adam shif, rick warren, tom cole, connie and mary bono mack and steven holcomb. >> we have so many people coming up. it is thursday, november 2. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning, everyone. our starting point this morning, developments happening now in cairo. the u.s. embassy there is closed. no one is being allowed in or out as we speak. >> embassy officials say protesters are blocking the entrance and clashes are happening near nearby. reza sayah is nearby for us. what's happening? >> reporter: there is no indication protesters are targeting the u.s. em wibassy b it was closed as a precaution. these are protes
and pass what the president has proposed, basically extend the tax cuts for the middle class up to $250,000. then deal with that other piece. speaker boehner came out and sort of chastised him. but tom cole went on to continue to go on about 18 different shows and reiterated the same position he was actually on with our chuck todd this morning. let's take a listen. >> that advice was given in private. but you guys have a way of figuring out what is said in private. somebody leaked it out. that's fine. because i'm not going to -- >> you didn't intend for this to go public? >> no, no. i absolutely didn't. >> okay. >> again, it is what i said. it's not an inaccurate report. and, again, i don't think it changes where we're going. our chief negotiator is the speaker. he can deliver the republican votes for a deal that he thinks is the right one. i always support him in that. i'm sure i would again. >> nick, like i said, he's saying this leaked out, he didn't send it to go public but he felt perfectly comfortable going on, like, every show possible yesterday and not backing off of it. do you
that he will have to give compromise on tax rates? >> revenue is on the table. there are serious spending cuts as part of the agreements. we have a debt crisis. we are spending too much. we have to recognize that sizzle the spending that is out of control. >> what size spending cuts do you think it would take to reach a deal of the fiscal of question mike do you think the promise has to be included at interest deal? >> i do not think it is so important for a visit to the of what the spending cuts ought to be. terra a lot of options have you can get there. the second part of the question was, -- >> do you think the promise of spending cuts has to be included in a deal that averts the fiscal close? >> there is a from mark we presented two weeks ago. it has been agreed to in terms of a downpayment that would include spending cuts and revenue. the entitlement reform, and tax reform next year. this is way out of balance. not a recognition on the part of the white house. a spending problem that we have. >> the prospect of going over the fiscal close. which one would you choose? what's of will d
the message along, put pressure on lawmakers to get this middle class tax cut extension down. the president sitting down with small business owners, with ceos of major companies, pushing that middle class tax cut message. they don't believe that this is the comprehensive solution, but they believe this is a step towards the final solution, a final agreement to prevent this fiscal cliff scenario. the president saying he believes that this can get done before christmas. take a listen. >> a clear majority of americans, not just democrats, but also a lot of republicans and a lot of independents glee that we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy and doesn't hurt middle class families. if we agree that we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. >> of course there are some lawmakers who are not that optimistic. they don't think there's enough time between now and the end of the year to get a deal done. nonetheless the president will continue pushing his message. he heads to pennsylvania tomorrow. he wil
understood the banking system. he's not a budget guy. he's not a tax guy. he's never really worked in this sphere. >> geithner is leading these talks for two reasons. he and the president are very close. they simply click. secondly, boehner likes him. that's why geithner is the front man here. that sometimes matter more than anything else. on wednesday, the president brought back a campaign atmosphere. he surrounded himself with what he called average middle class families. it was all about ramping up political pressure on the republicans. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> the president had a busy fiscal cliff day, also met privately with the ceo ofs of home depot, coca-cola and yahoo!. not to be out done on this pr front, house republicans made it public, hosting a group of nervous business leaders. they've signed on to a campaign called fix the debt. they want big spending cuts to supplement the coming tax hikes. >> i'm hopeful but i wouldn't put me anywhere near the optimistic category.
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